The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

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    Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
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6 дней назад
Nikhil Kulkarni
Nikhil Kulkarni

+Sweetteawillie Thank You for clearing the doubt!

День назад
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie

Nikhil Kulkarni The engines are mounted higher and slightly forward for ground clearance, otherwise they would have to increase the landing gear height and retracted positions. The engines have a larger diameter than the NG and previous models. It's less tedious to position the engines than it is to relocate landing gear bays and components and systems in those areas.

День назад
Nikhil Kulkarni
Nikhil Kulkarni

Why didn't they increase the clearance from the ground with few design changes?

День назад
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie

Vox, maybe you should stay in your lane and leave the explaining to the NTSB. They are REAL investigators, not pretend journalists.

День назад
MICHGO1
MICHGO1

HOW ABOUT TONING DOWN THE LOUD MUSIC?

День назад
Espen Bøgh
Espen Bøgh

I think a part of the problem comes by raising the engines on the wings, - if that's so then a software solutions to MCAS system will not fix the problem.Hopefully FAA will not accept any updates to the 7373 max 8 until the final report of the flyghtchras is releaset.If so FAA will be responsable if another accident with the 737 max 8.

Час назад
OVTV
OVTV

This is what happens when you deregulate and under fund agencies like the FAA, this should have been recertified as a whole new plane.

Час назад
Dankrupt
Dankrupt

im curious why you ignored the cargo plane (same plane) that crashed a week before these. probably because that one proved it was something else crashing the planes.

Час назад
dandycliff2
dandycliff2

Boeing = Mass murderers.

Час назад
Hossain al Fahad
Hossain al Fahad

Safeguard become the killer (MCAS) Compete over money not Service and safety...

2 часа назад
CarlosDuarte2007
CarlosDuarte2007

The explanation of the failure seems to be the opposite of the explanation given in the video. If the engine is higher and its line of force is closer to the center of gravity and its location changed more towards the front, the power and weight of the engine should have LESS effect in the rotation nose-up of the aircraft, and had to increase the tendency to roll nose down. It sounds like the aircraft will naturally will try to nose-down more than the previous version of the airplane, thus the so-called MCAS would need to compensate nosing the aircraft more UP, instead of down. Maybe the pilots were used to increase the attack angle by simply increasing the power in the old models and when they noticed that they did not have the same effect in the new model they disconnected the MCAS thinking it was the cause, but in fact they were increasing the effect of the nosing down. But still there is the possibility that it was a defect in the software that was designed for the previous model, that tried to correct the nose down by increasing the power of the engine (like in the previous models with lower engines) at certain point the MCAS was unable to correct the nosing down increasing the power because in this model the engine is higher, the computer assumed was a failure and after few minutes disconnected itself causing the aircraft to dive down because the new position and weight of the engines. If the MCAS disconnected suddenly, and the pilots were unaware pulling or pushing the elevators the aircraft may have stall or dive down very fast.

2 часа назад
phapnui
phapnui

Predatory capitalism at its best.

2 часа назад
Anthony S
Anthony S

Best thing people can do is to not fly on the 737 max. Boeing is heavily invested into this plane.

3 часа назад
MoonlightSky
MoonlightSky

Just call it the death plane.

3 часа назад
Joel Diver
Joel Diver

this is not the reason they keep crashing

3 часа назад
Bryce
Bryce

The armchair pilots are out in force in the comment section it would appear.

4 часа назад
derkhaslol
derkhaslol

So Airbus made a high-quality product. And then Boeing had to improvise with a quickly rushed product. Yet everyone bought the Boeing? It´s crazy how often this kind of thing happens.

4 часа назад
Ktkahghi
Ktkahghi

OPAL

4 часа назад
XtraDankBoi
XtraDankBoi

This comment section is filled with idiots who think everyone who works at bowing should get charged with over 300 counts of murder...

5 часов назад
Big Baller
Big Baller

346 lives = Infamy Are you happy Boeing?

5 часов назад
J B
J B

Surprised that they didn't blame President Trump!

5 часов назад
Harun Suaidi
Harun Suaidi

This is how dishonesty kills. If this is true, then it is Boeing, not the airlines, have the blood of the victims on their hands. People are rightly furious about this and the victim's families deserve all kinds of compensation of their loss.

6 часов назад
Jack Thayer
Jack Thayer

Um bullshit if you move the engine up without changing the the pitch of the engine it does the exact oposite of what your saying if you would like to learn about this check out mentor on youtube

6 часов назад
lord of the rings lord
lord of the rings lord

Japanese MRJ made a %20 efficient aircraft without killing people. You are loser boeing.

6 часов назад
We're Full
We're Full

let me guess? communism is the answer?

6 часов назад
Abinash Roy
Abinash Roy

🙏

6 часов назад
Michael Cornelissen
Michael Cornelissen

Clear case of negligence for both Boeing and US governance.

6 часов назад
TheDarknessOfGames
TheDarknessOfGames

I know let’s give our money away

6 часов назад
Dub Dub Flub-A-Dub
Dub Dub Flub-A-Dub

If you know anything about airplanes or aircraft manufacturers, you know that this video is scrutinizing Boeing for something that other manufacturers do too. It’s a sad thing that lives were lost, but its what happens when mistakes are made. I don’t like how this video makes Boeing the “bad guy” when they are not the only company to release new airplanes quickly to make profit.

6 часов назад
Rob Dow
Rob Dow

It takes only two switches, to turn off automated system.

7 часов назад
Email Alpha
Email Alpha

I am not stepping foot on a 737 MAX until the root cause has been 100% identified and a fix made. I need 100% transparency on this.

7 часов назад
Hawk Who Knows All
Hawk Who Knows All

This is Why Robotos can Never Exist.. We HUMANs are the GODs..Only We Are the Most Superior Organism Ever Exists... Only We can FIX ,CREATE.....

7 часов назад
Pizza Pockets
Pizza Pockets

Don’t blame boeing for this. Many planes have similar autopilot features. The fact that one crew knew how to turn the autopilot stall protect feature off shows that information was published on the MCAS system. Pilot error on both accounts for failing to understand their A/C and POH. Tough but that’s how aviation works. Complacency in aviation breeds these kinds of accidents.

7 часов назад
Thomas Conrow
Thomas Conrow

The flight before Lion Air 610 had the same problem, the crew solved it and reported it to maintenance.

8 часов назад
nukestrom
nukestrom

Its an American engineering marvel, just like Chrysler that stalls its engines on freeways.

8 часов назад
Amellia Mendel
Amellia Mendel

I can't wait to see the air crash investigation of this. I love those shows.

8 часов назад
MrOrca30
MrOrca30

Notice how no planes went down in the states because in America and most European countries a professional pilot knows how to disable it.....

8 часов назад
Zeyu Wang
Zeyu Wang

Guys please, never fly on max ever again! No matter what software they come up. Boeing needs to learn what a horrible thing they did the hard way! They killed hundreds people. Their blood is on Boeing’s hands

8 часов назад
Andrew Polich
Andrew Polich

Great visuals

9 часов назад
Martin Moreno
Martin Moreno

Excellent video.

9 часов назад
Jac
Jac

If you want the truth, don't go to vox

9 часов назад
Chris Rosen
Chris Rosen

Wait, so how did the engine directly effect the plane from the nose being to high? How was the engine the problem?

9 часов назад
Will Soliman
Will Soliman

@vox @time 2:11 It should have been March 20, 2011 ??

9 часов назад
Xaiano
Xaiano

Even if the software is fixed, the design flaws remain and it still has a massively higher risk of a stall. This is not a safe plane.

9 часов назад
Tabebe Montilla
Tabebe Montilla

They shouldve think of safety rather than money

10 часов назад
Chairman Meow
Chairman Meow

This is literally out of fight club where he's explaining where if the cost of a recall is more than X (lawsuits from lost human lives) they wont do it.

10 часов назад
MidN Music
MidN Music

thank god that JetBlue uses Airbus

10 часов назад
Matus Niga
Matus Niga

I would like to see the person who came with this kind of idea to let plane overtake full control over Pilot??? And the another person who confirmed that? how is this possible?

10 часов назад
Tijan Bah
Tijan Bah

so if I show this to my teachers then I won't have to do MCAS ever

10 часов назад
Horse Sense
Horse Sense

It's only two aeroplanes.

11 часов назад
【Natsuki Frostii】
【Natsuki Frostii】

MCAS? Oh! Like that test I have? Oh wait never mind...

11 часов назад
Dan Baltizar
Dan Baltizar

I am here to tell all that to much automation is the wrong direction, it is dangerous. The technology should stay out of vehicles for at least another 20 yrs until it is fully understood. I can’t wait for Uber to have a few big accidents. I hope they get sued to bankruptcy. All you goons that drive for Uber and Lyft need to understand you are going to be replaced by machines. That is why they have the service going everywhere possible. Tens of Millions of people are going to lose jobs due to automation in the next 10 yrs. we as a human race need to fight back at the companies pushing automation. It is time to Stan duo and fight. Humanity will disappear soon if we do not.

11 часов назад
Dan Baltizar
Dan Baltizar

Boeing and the FAA need to be made an example of and punished HEAVILY$$$$$. This is unacceptable, reprehensible. The CEO at Boeing should be in jail and the top execs at the FAA that approved the certification too. All fired and jailed. Anytime you start outsourcing, you have quality control issues and it only gets worse.

11 часов назад
eric wsmith
eric wsmith

Automated controls,.... this is not the first time a plane has crashed because of them. Why is it beyond the engineers train of thought to put one single control switch that would give pilots 100% control of the aircraft in case of some unknown system failure ? ,,,,Keep the warning systems, but let the captain disable ALL automated controls with out exception.

11 часов назад
Charles clvr
Charles clvr

2:53 “hottest selling plane on the market” so explain how according to your graph the neo has (around) 1700 orders in 2 years and the max has barely a 1000. Pretty sure 1700 is more than a 1000

12 часов назад
NettiBongo
NettiBongo

onething i dont understand about airplane companies. they dont understand if it isnt broken dont fix it.. they have alot of good planes but they keep making new design planes and testing with the passengers. cant they just produce more working planes. arh.

12 часов назад
DaikiTV
DaikiTV

I Hope boeing pays the price for being to lazy to redesign the plane. Just redesign the Aircraft if the engines wont fit! Just such an bullcrap. Over 300 People died because they didnt want to redesign the Aircraft?!?

12 часов назад
Gene Simmons
Gene Simmons

I still believe these planes were electronically hijacked....

12 часов назад
pepper669
pepper669

Good video, Ira Glass style.

13 часов назад
vasco ambrogi
vasco ambrogi

Those videos are similar to propaganda. It takes two switches to désengage MCAS. Please, an accident is a chain of events and putting the blame just on Boeing is simply stupid. As appealing the target can be, with all the greedy and nasty reasons you might want to satisfice on, this doesn’t help people understanding and pointing to the reality of the issue. The whole industry, including relative national regulators have to rethink their ways. Every 737 MAX is the same, but not every country, not every airline, not every pilot, and not every day, a faulty sensor is the cause. Then, Pilots training, Automation and Minimum safety standards are all to be reviewed in the wake of those catastrophe. Boeing has a culture to keep Pilots in direct control of the plane, all is in place to cut out electrical systems fast and effectively if needed. If you want to understand the economics behind, it’s to easy to blame the constructor, they are not the only one making money. But, surely, they are the ones that can sustain a hit. Une pensée aux victimes.

13 часов назад
Levi Ackerman
Levi Ackerman

Boeing a320 is better than 737-800 Change my mind

13 часов назад
Skrub Nation
Skrub Nation

Capitalism us to blame for Boeing's actions

13 часов назад
Jesse Bogdonoff
Jesse Bogdonoff

Capitalism at it's finest!

13 часов назад
GLR
GLR

Well done America... leading the way in $$ hunger

14 часов назад
Shaderite Matobit
Shaderite Matobit

Conclusion: Boeing, please Stop playing childish games.

14 часов назад
Chris Cain
Chris Cain

Yanks rename things because they don’t know how to pronounce the letters in the English language ...the can’t even pronounce aluminium....alll you min eeee umm you fools! Lol

14 часов назад
bratwurstmaxxe haxxe
bratwurstmaxxe haxxe

Hard- and Software-Cheats.... every Idiot is a Pilot, when they falling out Playnes fall down.

14 часов назад
Kimberly Williams
Kimberly Williams

THIS VIDEO IS PUBLISHED BY AN AIRBUS FANBOY OR JUST AIRBUS ITSELF. AIRBUS SUCKS AND THEIR BEING VINDICTIVE BECAUSE THE AIRBUS A380 IS GOING DOWN THE TUBES.

14 часов назад
Jesus is Muslim
Jesus is Muslim

Outsourcing destroys, and never saves, companies. Dell, Gateway, and HP lost money when outsourced. Boeing outsourcing will kill Boeing.

14 часов назад
lap tech
lap tech

The thing is, the MCAS system worked BUT the scenario of what would happen if a specific sensor was to go faulty was never tested, by the plane developers or by flight sim tests. Also, what to do in a situation when a sensor does go faulty was exposed by a previous flight of the doomed Ethiopian plane. It was reported by the flights previous flight crew that a sensor failed and MCAS kicked in but this time in the cockpit, was an off duty pilot who knew what to do and got the pilot to turn off MCAS (can be done but not easy unless you've read ALL the training material). Unfortunately this off duty pilot never reported the incident to the next flight crew. This is fact and is in the investigation report. The question then becomes, how come this off duty pilot knew how to disable MCAS but the next flight crew didn't. Training is surely at fault here. What needs to be investigated is how many pilots of this airplane had the exact same problem but was able to deal with it because they knew how to disable MCAS? Two sets of pilots from different airlines did not know how to disable it and it cost everyone their lives. Boeing has improved MCAS to make it easier for it to be disabled and allow pilots to control the plane. Training manuals have also been improved. a 2nd sensor is installed as standard now instead of just one BUT it still comes down to that one off duty pilots statement to the investigating team. He was able to talk through the process of how to disable MCAS to the previous flight crew. So was it just a case of bad pilot training? the flight crew did not bother to check out the new training material because they thought the plane was still identical to the previous 737.

14 часов назад
William Aditama
William Aditama

Kacau...

14 часов назад
Tim S
Tim S

Should have guessed, greed. That was the bottom line!

15 часов назад
737tech
737tech

I think there is more to the story. A deeper cultural problem. Just watched a video about some whistle blowers that were fired.

15 часов назад
Metonymy1979
Metonymy1979

Money means more than humans.

15 часов назад
Abdulrahman Baghdadi
Abdulrahman Baghdadi

apart from the great content and the issue behind it .. those sketches are very unique!

15 часов назад
David Jesús Granadillo di Gravia
David Jesús Granadillo di Gravia

We should also consider that Boeing has always had these issues... let's not forget that the 787 Dreamliner was built on cheaper material, just to compete. They deserve bankruptcy honestly, every decision taken is always supporting the idea of saving money, instead of reassuring safety.

15 часов назад
David Coro
David Coro

Shocking Boeing.

15 часов назад
Miihkali 78
Miihkali 78

Not going to fly with this model.Ever.I’ll cancel my tickets if I have to.

16 часов назад
Sammy Looney
Sammy Looney

The real reason airplanes crash...Gravity.

16 часов назад
Peka Bhoo
Peka Bhoo

Corporate scum did this.

16 часов назад
Ramses Farias
Ramses Farias

And of course, no one was arrested for this.

16 часов назад
J Lew
J Lew

How many employees of Vox have NTSB incident investigator certification? Not one single referenced source is evident in this video. Even if this were a 7th grade essay or report assignment in an inner city public junior high school.....this video would likely have a red "F" on it's cover page because even the kindest most forgiving school teacher wants to KNOW what the author's sources are. Vox......like most current so called on-line purveyors of opinion that's being masqueraded as actual news.....Vox seems to have a bad habit of failing to cite sources.

16 часов назад
Tarzan jodeajane
Tarzan jodeajane

Sad reality, lots of PPL died from a risky long planned Airplane design. Hope Airbus learn from this and keeps on the good work.

16 часов назад
Mc4wiwy y
Mc4wiwy y

They lied to get 360 people killed in less than 365 days

17 часов назад
Clay Kemper
Clay Kemper

I dare a Boeing spokesperson to come on this site and explain:. 1. Corrective measures and time frame; 2. Compensation for families.

17 часов назад
Phad Trader
Phad Trader

The airplane flew, in essence, without incident for 17 months prior to these crashes. It has nothing to do with greed but considering the source that slant isn't surprising. The airplane isn't perfect and won't be after the 'fixes' are put in place. It's not a scandal, it's not a matter of rushing to make the quick dollars. It's a problem, a potentially serious problem that had devastating consequences. It's nothing new in aircraft development.

17 часов назад
Grant Bruner
Grant Bruner

The should be a direct hanging for those engineers and CEO’s that rushed this into service. Greed overtook their brain capacity, which was not much to begin with.

17 часов назад
H Healey
H Healey

If they spent billions on a new jet design instead, I bet they'd still be in profit. If you're making profit the company is doing well because trying to save money on an already money making company is pure greed and disgraceful

17 часов назад
Younis Qureshi
Younis Qureshi

is there something in Boeing's contract with Indonesian and Ethopian airlines that they can't take legal action against Boeing? If the crash planes were a US or European operators', would the circumstances after the 2 crashes be the same? Boeing should be held accountable for this in the international court of law and 2 airlines and governments should initiate the legal actions

18 часов назад
Gary Cavanagh
Gary Cavanagh

After watching this I think about the 346 lost souls on both flights R I P

18 часов назад
jelson95
jelson95

The real reason for the crash was greed.

18 часов назад
MrMiamiswaggz305
MrMiamiswaggz305

Whose going to jail? Never a rich executive.

19 часов назад
deretreivels44
deretreivels44

pilot error due to not understandnig the trim update. Its not politically correct to tell the truth anymore because of where it happened, but thats the truth. This video just proves the guy knows nothing about the situation.

19 часов назад
SL first
SL first

Evil business practises took 346 life. boeing should take full responsibility for each life cause by them

19 часов назад
Hans Heini
Hans Heini

If Boeing has a free ticket at the FAA and Airbus needs to implement all safety measures, because they don't get free tickets at their aviation authority, this is a pretty unfair economic competition.

19 часов назад
Ken
Ken

Wait, the plane crashed into the Java sea? The code was just trying to get back home. Its natural instincts.

19 часов назад
Hans Heini
Hans Heini

In the first university courses about electrical engineering and software development i learned that in aviation you need very, very robust systems capable of deciding from redundant inputs which one to deem valid. Even that the software systems themselves should be redundant and a final gate needs to decide which output from the system is valid, i.e. 2 out of 3. The aviation software architect, developers and everyone who knew about these violations of basic aviation safety procedures, an automatic trimming system relying on only one sensor, where the system as well is not redundant(!!!), belong TO JAIL!!!! Why? Because they are a proofen danger to the public. Sorry, for this, there's no "They ordered me to do it", as an excuse.

19 часов назад
Hans Heini
Hans Heini

+Chris H damn right, it takes a series of people with more greed than respect for life to get such a system done. I could even imagine the big boss had no idea and some other management level with complicit employees decided on the system. All in order to get a promotion for their ingenious savings idea...

14 часов назад
Chris H
Chris H

I agree, you shouldn't only look at the top. A lot of people must have known about this!

19 часов назад
Chris H
Chris H

Someone in the thread wrote, he heard, Boeing outsourced their IT to India. Maybe they recruited people who never heard about aviation software development. Then you should also put Boeings HR in a dark, dark prisonhole.

19 часов назад
sanjuansteve
sanjuansteve

The world has lost their minds to capitalist GREED (fear)!

20 часов назад
OFFICIAL.moriigon
OFFICIAL.moriigon

That's bullshit that they have such a software like that. Because of competition PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES!!!!! I couldnt imagine if that happened to someone I love or if it happened to me and my family had to deal with that heart break. I dont trust those planes no matter what, I dont care if theres a software update. I'm not risking my life nor the people I love lives. Either fix the plane to fit the engine UNDER the wing or say goodbye to your customers. I ain't trusting no scrap metal.

20 часов назад
hyou zan ren
hyou zan ren

Greedy bastard! They risk our live just so their CEO can get more bonus by selling defect planes!

20 часов назад
Lilac Lizard
Lilac Lizard

Same thing happened with MH370. There was a known fault in the emergency oxygen supply for the pilot/co-pilot that caused a cockpit fire & hull-breach at Cairo airport in the same model plane, but Boeing decided it was too expensive to bring all planes in to insulate the anti-kink wiring that was causing the emergency oxygen to explode. Any pilots that spoke out about that & let people know that it would explain exactly what happened on MH370 on the most respected & well known internet pilot forums (that boeing had bought out a few years earlier) were simply deleted & banned. Shocking they can get away with stuff like this! Thanks for blowing the whistle on this one & letting us all know the truth Vox!

20 часов назад
Parlons Y-stoire
Parlons Y-stoire

Very good video. Congratulations! The final photos are very hard to look at.

21 час назад
leapingblackcat
leapingblackcat

That is the result of limited liability (ltd, plc, llp) company status and politicians not allowing large businesses to fail because of bad/criminal management. Both features of our none-free marking system. This means owners of large businesses (including shareholders) do not have to take responsibility for their decisions. Expect more of same until limited liability is removed.

21 час назад
leapingblackcat
leapingblackcat

Dishonesty. Whatever happened to 'my work is my bond'.

21 час назад

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